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May 12, 2012


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you are wrong. the wadi el gedid is the New Valley. That consists of Farafra, Dakhla, and Kharga oasis. The plane is not south of Mut.

Thanks for the correction - as I said, it was just a guess.

I suppose that I was confused by the reference to Wadi el Gedid (or Wadi al-Jadid), which is an alternative term for the entire New Valley Governorate that covers a huge area of southern Egypt west of the Nile. Online maps showing Wadi al-Jadid (and I double-checked quite a few, including Egyptian ones) show a point south or southwest of Mut/Kharga (the governorate capital)which must locate approximately the centre of the administrative area, not a specific wadi. Add the 100 or 200 miles descriptions, and the fact that the guy who discovered it was on an expedition, plus the limestone landscape (not, admittedly, uncommon!)and I just made a guess. This does not detract, however, from the interest and poignancy of the story.

BUT, Cassandra, could you provide a non-specific description of the general area in which the plane is - you say it is not south of Mut, is it north, west.....?


Jacub Perka posted the image of the aircraft in a satellite map, but has obscured the coordinates: http://www.delo.si/assets/media/picture/20120512/airplane%20coordinate.png

Another website describes the area as "west of the Qasr Farfara oasis".

I hope this helps a little bit.

Erik - thanks for the information. I've had browse around Google Earth, but with no success - it's perfectly possible to spend hours doing so, and I'm sure that a lot of people are doing exactly that (but I found all kinds of other interesting stuff!). I think the other reference must be to the oasis of Farafra - directly west of there is the Great Sand Sea and then the mountains of the Gilf Kebir, but then the desert is a huge place.

I've only had the acquaintance of some the California deserts (Mojave, Death Valley, and the destert-montane interface of the Eastern Sierra) but it's been my experience that it's easy to lose a person, or a group of people, or even a track that you took last year to a particular place. What looks like a uniformly sloping fan or bajada from a distance has lots of little hills and valleys to hide your hiking group, or your car. And this is when the roads and the people aren't very far off.

I can only imagine what REAL desert exploration is like...

You might want to take a look my screengrab and read what I have written about the story and how I found the crash site.
It took me longer to research the text than find the plane on satellite maps of the Western Desert without using any coordinates, only clues obtained online.

Do you generally optimize your posts for search algorithms?

Probably not!?

I think I`ve got the co`ordanates for this picture: 27 23`52.4 N 27 37`45.1 E
You can find them here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/libyan_soup/8079897265/sizes/k/in/photostream/

The pictures of the military trucks are very evocative of that movie,Ice Cold in Alex..
One of my uncles was in the Long range desert group during WW2 and they used a lot of those Chev and Ford military pattern trucks as reconnaissance vehicles.

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